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	September 04, 2012 -- 10:46 PM
	
	posted by alison
	
	
Par, I'm biting on that "cheaper than aluminum" link. I think it's a load of hooey. Or, well, maybe only half a load... but still, there's some pretty serious hooey involved.  The article quotes the researchers/industrialists as saying:
 "It is the natural, renewable version of a carbon nanotube at a fraction of the price,"
 But by the time they're done all the chemical processing, there's nothing left to be actually called "natural". I mean, what else does this tell us besides 'we're grinding wood up, and putting it through a series of highly toxic chemical baths."?  And then, a fraction of the price? really? ... Something is subsidizing this process. Maybe something else gets produced (cellulosic ethanol maybe??) that turns a profit, but nanotubes alone are not going to be cheap just because they come from wood.
 Mind you, I am cynical, and perhaps I've misinterpreted this:
"Production of NCC starts with "purified" wood, which has had compounds such as lignin and hemicellulose removed. It is then milled into a pulp and hydrolysed in acid to remove impurities before being separated and concentrated as crystals into a thick paste that can be applied to surfaces as a laminate or processed into strands, forming nanofibrils. These are hard, dense and tough, and can be forced into different shapes and sizes. When freeze-dried, the material is lightweight, absorbent and good at insulating."
 All of that speaks of lots of chemicals and energy, and money.
 When all is said and done, how much non-renewable stuff has gone into one tree (and what percentage of that tree comes out as usable??) just to get the desired end product?  I'm definitely not sold. There's a reason this isn't being produced at a commercial scale, and it's got a lot to do with the capital costs of production like all the chemicals used to create the nanofibrils.
However, it is fascinating, all the same.
	
	August 30, 2012 -- 5:33 PM
	
	posted by Par
	
	
This reminds me of Andy's basement:
 

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	August 29, 2012 -- 12:53 PM
	
	posted by Par
	
	Hear hear, Jsese! There are too few relentlessly positive and enthusiastic people in the world like you. Hope Toronto treats you well. I expect we'll hear from you here on this page in the future.
	August 27, 2012 -- 9:23 PM
	
	posted by Al
	
	You're welcome Jsese! It was an honour and a privilege to have known you. I'll try to make it out to toronto one of these days.
	August 27, 2012 -- 2:34 PM
	
	posted by jsese
	
	
Thanks Matt. Went with a faster plan. Cable 18mb/s download and 512kb/s upload. In Toronto we seem to have many indipendant companies reselling bell and togers' services.  And somehow doing it for a better price.we will be piggybacking of of rogers via a company called teksavvy. I'll be happy when i can stop using my phone for all of the houshold internet.
 
Toronto is a cool place, but I miss my friends. I know Iwasn'taround that much lately, but i feel my life is richer for having known you. I just wanted to say thanks as it's not something we do very often these days. Thanks
	
	August 27, 2012 -- 2:28 PM
	
	posted by Par
	
	
Remember this from Star Trek: Whales?
 
Not quite aluminum, but how's this grab you? Why wood pulp is world's new wonder material:
 
Well, not only is [nanocrystalline cellulose] transparent but it is made from a tightly packed array of needle-like crystals which have a strength-to-weight ratio that is eight times better than stainless steel. Even better, it's incredibly cheap.
	August 27, 2012 -- 2:24 PM
	
	posted by Par
	
	As I recall (it's been a while), cable theoretically has a slowdown when you're in a high shared situation, although I haven't really noticed that kind of effect in a while. If you're in a densely populated area, maybe it makes sense to go DSL?
	August 27, 2012 -- 9:14 AM
	
	posted by Beck
	
	
It's on the low end of the scale by today's standards, but unless you're constantly torrenting while voiping and streaming stuff simultaneously you should be fine.
 
I have a preference for cable, though that's more to do with the fact that here (cable == Shaw) while (dsl == Telus)
	
	August 26, 2012 -- 6:53 PM
	
	posted by jsese
	
	Im trying to figure out internet here in toronto, but dont remember how fast the internet was back in e town with shaw. Will 3mb/256kb cover the bacic interneting for me and phd level downloads for Merin? Also, anyone have preferences regarding cable vs dsl?
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