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April 20, 2004 -- 3:24 PM
posted by Pushbrug The Crazy
- I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done I done
I am not trying to rub it in- i am just happy
April 20, 2004 -- 12:00 AM
posted by eric
- leave it to (ex-Oiler) Gelinas to put it away.
good for the Flames. if they loss that last minute goal by Vancouver would have really stung.
April 19, 2004 -- 10:26 PM
posted by nobody knows my face
- whoa... everybody's getting all into heated political debates on here. Well, here's MY political/environmental message of the day:

April 19, 2004 -- 10:26 PM
posted by Par
- As for Iraq, etc., I offer this piece of advice from the late, great, DNA:
[Shortly after it is revealed that the people of the planet Krikkit are out to destroy the universe, and only a group of dedicated individuals (sorely lacking, and in whose stead stand Arthur Dent, Ford Prefect, and Slartibartfast)]
"Yes," said Ford, with a sudden and unexpected fireceness, "I've understood it all perfectly well. That's why I want to have as many drinks and dance with as many girls as possible while there are still any left. If everything you've shown us is true . . . "
"True?" Slartibartfast asked, "Of course it's true."
"Then we don't stand a whelk's chance in a supernova."
"A what?" said Arthur sharply again. He had been following the conversation doggedly up to this point, and was keen not to lose the thread now.
"A whelk's chance in a supernova," repeated Ford without losing momentum. "The . . . "
"What's a whelk got to do with a supernova?" said Arthur.
"It doesn't, " said Ford levelly, "stand a chance in one."
[ Insert discussion of whelks, supernovas here ]
"The point is," Ford said, "that people like you and me, Slartibartfast, and Arthur - particularly and especially Arthur - are just dilettanti, eccentrics, layabouts, fartarounds if you like."
Slartibartfast frowned, partly in puzzlement, and partly in umbrage. " . . . "
"We're not obsessed by anything, you see," insisted Ford.
" . . . "
"And that's the deciding factor. We can't win against obsession. They care, we don't. They win."
Also, this may be an interesting insight, from about 40 years back:
"They will kill a great many of us. We will kill a few of them. They will tire of it first."
--Ho Chi Minh, when asked how Vietnam could possibly wage war against the West.
April 19, 2004 -- 10:08 PM
posted by Par
- Not that I recall. They are very green there, with extensive recycling programs and a huge gasoline tax that feeds into public transit.
Oh, and You're firedTM
April 19, 2004 -- 10:08 PM
posted by edo
Whoa... has anyone seen that MiniGo Commercial with he Bear? Messed up...
April 19, 2004 -- 10:01 PM
posted by edo
- But hey... I guess the US does get something back for its "investment":
Analysis: US 'emulates' Israeli tactics
April 19, 2004 -- 9:58 PM
posted by edo
- US involvement in Israel has always been messed up. Usually the US hands out money and arms for reasons that somehow seem more legitimate than appeasing lobbiests at home. From what I can tell it wasnt always that way... they didnt really get involved with Israel until they started pissing of Arab countries over oil and were looking for some friends in the Middle east. That plus the Soviets decided to support the Arab countries and then it became a good ol' ideological campaign and not just economic. These days the US still hands out unreal amounts of money to Israel... which they use to buy US weapons... which seems more like just giving them the damn things anyways.
So, like you were saying it really does show that US is being partial to Israel. Especially with Bush recently endorsing Sharon's "disengagement plan". I think both the US and Israel do not see a viable, credible Palestinian state forming with Hamas around, seeing as Hamas' goal is the destruction of Israel.
I have to agree with Paras in that blowing the hell out of people is not really a solution. I can try and understand why they make the decisions they do... but I really cant understand the hatred fueling the whole thing. I guess thats one of the plus's of growing up in Canada. I dunno... I wish the the UN and international community would become more involved.
Anyways here's the Balfour Document... a tiny letter which is said to have really spurred on the Zionist movement. Most people note that no where does it say that Israel is going to get its own "state".
Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917
Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you. on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:
His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.
Yours,
Arthur James Balfour
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